O'odham Course at Talking Stick Golf Club vs Palm Course at McCormick Ranch Golf Club
3.2 mi apart · numbers from each course's map geometry
O'odham Course at Talking Stick Golf Club
near Scottsdale, Arizona
Palm Course at McCormick Ranch Golf Club
Scottsdale, Arizona
| Measure | O'odham Course at Talking Stick Golf Club | Palm Course at McCormick Ranch Golf Club |
|---|---|---|
| Holes | 18 | 18 |
| Par | 70 | 72 |
| Par 3 · 4 · 5 | 4 · 12 · 2 | 4 · 10 · 4 |
| Measured length | 7,072 yd | 6,927 yd |
| Longest hole | No. 17, 567 yd | No. 16, 549 yd |
| Bunkers | 69 | 0 |
| Sand | 2.8 acres | – |
| Holes with water | 0 | 7 |
| Water on the property | 9 acres | 41.4 acres |
| Total climb | 38 ft | 45 ft |
| Elevation | 1,301–1,338 ft | 1,286–1,316 ft |
| Biggest drop to a green | -6 ft | -8 ft |
| Average green | 6,615 sq ft | 5,760 sq ft |
| Average fairway width | 63 yd | – |
| Green to next tee, total | 1,148 yd | 1,571 yd |
| Property | 392 acres | 370 acres |
| Cart path | 10.7 mi | 10.6 mi |
| Driving range | not mapped | not mapped |
Hole by hole
Par and measured yards for each hole; rise is tee to green.
| Hole | O'odham Course at Talking Stick Golf Club | Palm Course at McCormick Ranch Golf Club | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Par | Yd | Rise | Par | Yd | Rise | |
| 1 | 4 | 404 | -3 | 4 | 383 | -1 |
| 2 | 5 | 545 | +6 | 4 | 395 | -6 |
| 3 | 4 | 441 | +6 | 5 | 522 | -2 |
| 4 | 4 | 436 | -5 | 4 | 415 | +4 |
| 5 | 4 | 385 | -5 | 3 | 208 | -1 |
| 6 | 3 | 226 | +3 | 4 | 356 | +4 |
| 7 | 4 | 396 | +5 | 5 | 540 | +5 |
| 8 | 3 | 156 | -1 | 3 | 189 | 0 |
| 9 | 4 | 463 | -6 | 4 | 398 | +1 |
| 10 | 4 | 444 | +5 | 4 | 395 | +7 |
| 11 | 3 | 259 | +1 | 4 | 413 | +2 |
| 12 | 4 | 399 | +4 | 5 | 505 | 0 |
| 13 | 4 | 386 | +3 | 3 | 196 | +2 |
| 14 | 4 | 433 | -4 | 4 | 416 | 0 |
| 15 | 4 | 465 | +5 | 4 | 448 | +4 |
| 16 | 3 | 191 | -2 | 5 | 549 | -4 |
| 17 | 5 | 567 | -3 | 3 | 181 | -1 |
| 18 | 4 | 476 | -6 | 4 | 418 | -8 |
Both courses are drawn by OpenStreetMap contributors; a difference in detail (bunker counts especially) can be a difference in how carefully each was mapped. How each number is measured.